SHMU dáta o počasí

openweathermap poskytuje PLATENÉ dáta o počasí.
SHMU by mohol poskytnúť OFICIÁLNE.

Je to možné ?

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Skratena odpoved vecer napisem dlhsiu. Som priamo z numeriky (ALADIN, INCA, … ) openweathermap niesu oficialne merania narodnych meteorologickych institutov ( SHMU, CHMU, OMSZ, ZAMG, IMGW, ARSO, … ) Aj ked sa tam mozno tieto data nachadzaju, ale urcite nie vsetky. Su to data z WMO GTS (global telecomunication system), ktore sa delia na dve skupiny essential (volne siritelne) a additional (poskytovane na zaklade bilateralnych dohod) Poskytovanie nejakeho api s pozorovaniami sa bije s financiami na SHMU nakolko udrzat siet pozorovani nielen meteorologickych, ale aj hydrologickych a cistotarskych vyzaduje peniaze na obnovu a udrzbu. Ja som oficialne z ludi co su za open data, ktore budu kryte zo statneho rozpoctu. Hlavne definovany pocet stanic a druh merani …

Tie budú ( na začiatok) stačiť.

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Neoficialna cesta je http://www.ogimet.com/cgi-bin/getsynop … ale podla mna cim viac ludi napise na SHMU, ze to ludia chcu tym lepsie a vacsia sanca, ze sa tym niekto realne zacne zapodievat

no ale to by ste SHMU obrali o sucasny zdroj prijmov. Dnes SHMU ma niekolko zakaznikov, ktorí im za meteo data platia. A hodne. Tazke toto cele nie je technicka zalezitost. Ale je nutne vymysliet novy statut pod ktorym by SHMU malo fungovat. kedze je to statna rozpoctova (prispevkova ? neviem presne a nechce sa mi to zistovat teraz) organizacia, ktora si okrem prachov zo stat. rozpoctu priviraba aj prdajom dat. Zaujimave je ale ako sa pravnici postavia k tomu, ze data ziskane na statnych zariadeniach ludmi platych zo statneho rozpoctu sa komercne predavaju a nie su verejne (kedze na ich vyrobu sa minuli verejne prostriedky). Ale takto funguje vo viacerych rezortoch viacero institucii … cize to by bol precedens a skor to vyzera tak ze na toto nebude vola …

Ahoj,

kompromis by bol ze surove data by boli k dispozicii a predavali by
pridanu hodnotu ktoru vedia na nich urobit (analyzy, predpovede,
lokalizovane aplikacie modelov, atd.).

Vie niekto za co presne sucasni zakaznici platia?

r.

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Reply pravnici sa k tomu lahko postavia kedze SHMU “zverejnuje” vsetky namerane data na http://www.shmu.sk aj ked ako tu bolo napisane sme prispevkova organizacia cize z daleka nedostaneme vsetky peniaze od statu potrebne na fungovanie. Plus z mojho pohladu najdolezitejsia cinnost SHMU je vydavanie vystrah pre CO a obcanov nielen meteorologickych, ale aj hydrologickych (podzemne aj povrchove vody) plus kvalita ovzdusia a radiacny monitoring. Vacsina ludi si pod SHMU predstavi ALADIN a meteorologicke predpovede co ma samozrejme tesi, ale je tu toho neskutocne viac. Problemom su niektore firmy, ktore sa dlhodobo prizivovali na datach SHMU. Potom niektory jedinci maju svoj nazor na api s nameranymi datami, ktore napr. idu von aj vo forme, ktora daleko presahuje surove data a to je analyza INCA. S nadsencami a amatermi uzko spolupracujeme. Taktiez HZS, poziarnici, alebo lanovky

Nemyslim si, ze okrem leteckej sluzby niekto plati za data hodne. Pre odhad jedna prof.met.stanica sa pohybuje v sume cca 10000€ zalezi od senzorov

Ziaden zakaznik neplati za surove data … za cely cas co si pamatam tak pre diplomovky, bakalarky, vedecke prace neplatil nikto nic … pamatam si len jeden nezmyselny request typu chcem vsetko co je niekolko tera za den bol odmietnuty, ale ten clovek to chcel dalej na komerciu. Podla mna by sa dala a hlavne mala vyclenit sada dat, ku ktorym by bolo pristupne api

Keď sú tie dáta voľne šíritelné , kto ich má ?

Skúsim to teda nejako vypátrať ja.

Zdravim, tak sa tie data zo SHMU uz nejako pohli. Uz je vola a zaujem aj z ministerstva zivotneho prostredia ( Martin Tuchyna ) a vyzera, ze aj od nas. Zatial odporucam http://www.ogimet.com/getsynop_help.phtml.en oni to sice robia cele nacierno, ale aspon sa da dostat k datam. A taktiez https://openweathermap.org/stations Pri pouziti neprofesionalneho zdroja dat je potrebne si urobit nejaky jednoduchy filter kvality dat.

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Pre DanybeHack 3.0 (http://danubehack.eu/ , 16 - 17 December 2017) vypustil SHMU niektore udaje (historia za dva roky dozadu):

http://meteo.shmu.sk/customer/home/opendata/

Ukazka, ze ako odtial tie data dosat (+ je tam moznost rovno data siatnut ako CSV alebo SQLite):

https://morph.io/soit-sk/scraper-shmu-observations

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Report tu http://www.mbie.govt.nz/info-services/science-innovation/open-access-to-weather-data/weather-permitting-review.pdf
mirror: weather-permitting-review.pdf (2.6 MB)

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Stav 2019/11:
List pristupnych png s radarovymi datami:
http://www.shmu.sk/dynamic/meteo/radar/radar_list.php

Essentional data zo SYNOP stanic sa daju ziskat
https://www.ogimet.com/cgi-bin/getsynop?begin=201911070000&end=201911072359&state=Slo

Nieco viac vyparsovat len odtialto …
http://www.shmu.sk/sk/webnetix_print_page.php?page=59
zial skusame dalej.

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Data su jedna vec, ale pod akou licenciou su?

@Michal_Nestiak toto budu open data?

Urcite budu na SHMU stranke a v produktoch co generuje “úsek Kvalita ovzdušia”. Tak isto budu pouzite vo vystraznom systeme znecistenia ovzdusia
http://www.shmu.sk/sk/?page=1&id=oko_varovny_system
Ale to nebola Tvoja otazka, cize keby to bolo na mne, tak vsetky namerane data su open a bola by vycislena presna suma na meteorologicku/hydrologicku/cistotarsku stanicu, ktoru treba pre SHMU na prevadzku, monitoring, udrzbu a backup plus archiv. Lokalne sa snazim/-e presvedcit, ze keby sme poskytli nejake API s nasimi udajmi tak by to pre nas malo vacsiu pridanu hodnotu do buducnosti. Inak sa ludia naviazu na Netatmo a podobne stanice a udaje z modelu GFS, …
Z pracovnikov odboru Monitorovanie a kvality ovzdušia (802) by si mal velku radost, lebo povacsine programuju, instaluju a pustaju hlavne open source modely. Pracuju a pocitaju na tom istom HPC ako sa pocita ALADIN, cize sa s nimi “delime” o uz aj tak male vypoctove kapacity, ale v tomto pripade nas to naozaj tesi. Su to ludia, ktory by v DAO mali vysoku reputaciu a hlavne vela pre spolocnost potrebnych skills. Z mojho pohladu je to velmi dolezita cast SHMU a tak ako meteorologovia a hydrologovia maju problem mat spolocnu siet, lebo “WMO” chce merania zo zahradky a hydrologovia od riek, potokov a nezabudajme, ze pod zemou. Tak “cistotari” ich potrebuju mat na velkych krizovatkach (pribudne dolezita Raca) a potom pozadove stanice “uplne mimo ludi”. Ale to neznamena, ze tieto data nepouzijeme vramci roznych oddeleni.
Budeme sa snazit, aby ste raz ALADIN predpoved pre zvoleny [lat,lon] bod mohli vidiet jedneho dna aj takto:
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